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Iraq War Vet Charged With Voluntary Manslaughter
December 31, 2007 |
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It started out as a simple reporting of a tragic story about a Iraqi Vet who beat to death a former friend. Police state that it was over what appeared to be an affair. The last story unexpectedly generated numerous comments and many of them were unapproved or edited due to the unnecessary nature of those comments. We will leave the comments open for now… but if abused will be terminated and deleted if you don’t take care.
There will be no winners here in Ohio. Friends have lost someone… a family is torn apart… a supporter of the family is going to jail and the children will be without a father. Unlike the movies there isn’t always a happy ending.
[WCPO] An Iraq War veteran accused of killing a man for allegedly having an affair with his wife appeared in court on Tuesday.
Twenty-eight-year-old Jason Roach is charged with voluntary manslaughter.
According to police, Roach and his friend got into a fight outside a home on John Gray Road in Springfield Township near Winton Road Monday night.
Police said when Roach found out his wife was having an affair with his friend, 32-year-old, Kelly Douglass, they started fighting outside his home.
Investigators believe Douglass was there to try and work things out with Roach when he fell and hit his head during the fight.
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First I would like to say that this is a horrible tragedy that I will never forget and my thoughts go out to everyone involved. I wish we knew what really happened but probably never will. I know that Kelly was not a fighter. He went over there to talk things out with Jason. Kelly was a big guy but was one of the most uncoordinated people I have ever met. Lifting anything of any type of weight would cause him to start to shake and be out of breath. To say he went over there looking for trouble is crazy. It takes a “big man” to beat someone to death that can’t defend himself; I didn’t see a scratch on Jason on any of the photos or videos. If anything Kelly was trying to get away from him which is why he was found near the road and not by the house. He probably thought he could go over there and talk things out but Jason did not want to talk. Misty told him not to go over there (so she says) and Kelly said he was going to meet him in a public place but somehow he ended up at the house. Jason had called the grandparents to come get the kids and not bring them back until he called them so he knew that he was going to beat Kelly up. I don’t think Jason intended to kill Kelly but things got out of control, he probably just wanted to teach him a lesson for having a relationship with Misty. Yes Kelly had a gun but not to shoot Jason. He was supposed to be at Target World trying it out because he had just purchased it the day before this all took place, but Misty called him and told him Jason was upset about the cell phone and it changed his plans. Kelly had just finished the conceal carry class and was familiar with firearms and it was a growing hobby of his to go target shooting. If he intended to do harm to Jason or expected a confrontation he would have been able to use that firearm and we would be talking about the death of Jason and the conviction of Kelly. Kelly was under the assumption that he and Misty were going to have a relationship together and that Misty was going to divorce Jason. She was looking for apartments and was planning on moving into one when she finished her job. Kelly said that Jason had become abusive toward Misty since he had come back from Iraq. He also said that Jason was in the safe zone while he was there and had it pretty easy so the PDSS card is not relevant. Kelly really believed that Misty was leaving Jason and that things were moving forward and that she was using Jason to watch the kids while she was at work. Alot of the things that took place between Kelly and Misty were not right but Kelly didn’t deserve to die for it. I lost a great friend and Sydni lost a loving father. Kelly told me about the trip he had taken to Virginia to watch Sydni’s cheerleading and actually got choked up telling me about it. He was so proud of her. His mother also lost a son that was the man of the house, the only transportation, caregiver for his sister, and someone who could help her with the language barrier. Jason’s kids lost there father and Misty lost both of them. I am truly sorry this tragedy happened and wonder what could have been done different to change the outcome.
I think yes Misty played a big role in this mess, but some of these so called friends keep stating they knew about this love triangle. Jason may have felt betrayed by his wife and friend, but I think when he finds out how eveyone knew but him he’s going to feel pretty betrayed by them too. Didn’t they love thier friend enough to sit all these people down and call them all out. All I know if my friends wife was out fooling around with someone I would tell him as soon as I could and if they were all my friends I wouldn’t let it happen without calling them all out. I think they should all quit pointing the finger at others and look in the mirror. No one could have had an affair for more than a minute if Jasons so called friends would have taken a hard road and showed him the truth instead of taking the easy way out and saying its none of my business.
Has anyone checked on the sentence for negligent homicide in Ohio?
In response to “Just Confused”. If you do not know everyone involved, please do not make comments on what could have/should have taken place. Friends of Jason’s did talk to him. But, I have never seen a man love a woman as Jason did and still does. He would have laid down his life for her. Basically he did. And she took advantage of that love for many years. Again, for those of us that knew both of these young men, it is very difficult. People that don’t know Jason, cannot understand why we are all defending him. He truly does not deserve what has been dealt to him. Jason is a very quiet soul, that has been dealt alot, I watched Jason leave for Iraq as a kid, and come back a man. We have no idea what our soldiers have gone through, and feel that he is being made an example of. I will personally attend and donate to every fund raiser that is put together for him, and help in any way I can.
I know I am speaking for quite a few of us that were at the funeral home that rainy, dreary Friday morning, when what we were all dreading happened. Watching Misty walk in the door. Knowing she is the cause for Kelly laying in that casket, and Jason sitting in jail. A lot of people kept their composure out of respect for Kelly’s family. But how stupid is this woman? If she wanted to pay her final respects to Kelly, I am sure Avance Funeral Home would have done what they could have to accommodate those wishes. However, once again, it is all about Misty and her needs. She comes first. Always. And watching her “scene” at the casket that morning, made me physically ill. She should be standing trial for her actions. Lets think of the four children that have lost their fathers. Yes Kelly has passed, but Jason will never be the same either. And Kelly’s mother and sister. All I can ask is please keep BOTH Kelly and Jason in your thoughts and prayers.
To “peace” - How do you know that the wife cheated on her husband?
To “Friend— of Jason” - you say that all of this was caused by the deeds of an unfaithful spouse.. you imply that she was cheating while he was in Iraq & after he returned home?? You know that he originally left Sept of 2005?? He has been home for over a year.. So this has been going on for 3 years? That that make sound stupid to anyone else? And how is it that you seem to know that Kelly showed up at Jasons doorstep to announce an affair? Were you there? You also say that Jason may have known he was having problems in his marriage, but later in your comment you imply that he did not?? And finally you want to thank Misty for all that she did…. IF there was an affair, would this be so unusual these days? (Not saying it is right- but reality is- that people are just not faithful like they used to be & marriages dont last forever anymore) So you think that anyone whos spouse have ever cheated has a justifiable reason to be enraged enough to kill?? You ask if anyone else reads about this tragedy.. Is that where you are getting all of your “facts”?? From what you read on blog sites? You are obviously very close to all of these people, so Im sure you are hurt, along with everyone else, but does it really make you feel better to lash out at her, to blame her for everything? Do you not have a heart?
To “friend of family” - What are you basing your comment on? The news & this blog site? Very intelligent…
To “Just confused about it all” - I 100% agree with you. Everyone writing on all of these sites claim to know everyone involved & all of the details… then why did all of this supposedly go on for almost 3 years? With all of these “friends” knowing everything.
To “another friend” - You sound like angry & cold hearted… Is that making you feel better? Everyone is supportive to Jason that this was an accident, so how are you condemning Misty & blaming her for Kelly being in the casket? Even IF there was an affair, Jason called Kelly over there, Jason wanted to fight Kelly, as a result of that, Kelly died. Even if they were fighting over her, if there was no intent to kill & this was an accident as everyone believes, then how is it all her fault? What kind of person are you to say that she was making a “scene” at the casket?? Do you not think that she was genuinely upset? IF you knew them at all, you should know that she cared for him, as he cared for her. She had every right to pay her respects to him.
I will keep you in my thoughts & prayers along with everyone else involved in the tragedy. I hope that you can get past the anger that you have inside.
One last comment to all… I am also a friend of all involved. This was is a sad sad situation, I am just sick of seeing everyone place blame on Misty because she is alive & not the one in jail or dead. IF there was an affair & Jason would have gotten violent & “accidentally” killed her, would we be saying- “good, the slut deserved to die” or would we be trashing Kelly on these blog sites? Would it be “poor Jason” then? Everyone who posts on here is SOO judgmental, but always at the end of their comment, they want to put these people in their thoughts & prayers, when in fact everyone posting is hurt & needs prayer. The fact is that everyone make mistakes, no one is perfect, some people do have affairs, & some marriages just dont last.
Whatever did or didnt happen doesnt even matter. None of the people involved- Kelly, Jason or even Misty meant for any of this to happen. Is was just a sad sad accident.
Please stop writing hurtful things, all of you seem to know that there are 4 children involved, so you should also know Sydni & Brianna are older, they go to school, & they also have access to the internet…Can we stop all of the bashing, blaming, & spreading more gossip?!?!
I am a close friend of Kelly. I have to confess that I jumped to conclusions earlier when I got an email from a friend with a link to Jason’s website for legal financial support. I am not sure who I even emailed, but I sent a long email that voiced my opinion very clearly. I apologize if I was a little too strong with my thoughts. I was am still just so upset and hurt that Kelly is gone. I mean no harm for Jason, but I am human and wanted someone to pay for the loss of Kelly. I truly think, from all of these stories whether true or false, that all 3 are at fault! I do though think that Kelly no matter what happened that evening did not need to die for it. As I do sit back and try to make sense of this I really can’t say that I wouldn’t have done something different. I do believe though that everyone makes decisions daily and they have to accept the consequences or results of those actions. I have never met Jason or Misty, but I feel that after reading these postings that I know Jason kinda well. And funny, that he has some of the same great qualities that Kelly had. This all just sucks and I wish we could have a “redo”, but of course what happened is done. I don’t think I will ever have closure with this, but I really feel sorry for both families and groups of friends. I guess we can all use this as a learning experience that we can share with others so this never happens again to anyone else. Though at times this message board has gotten ugly for both sides, I think this might have all brought us closer together as a new group of friends. Let’s never forget Kelly and pray that Jason and his family and friends will get through this terrible time and have peace with everyone involved. Life is too short to have hate for one another!!!
Let me preface this with - no, I don’t personally know these people - so don’t read further if you have a problem with that.
I only read the blogs and articles on the case. These are merely my thoughts and opinions on the matter.
Why does everyone supporting the murderer refer to the victim’s death as an “accident.” This guy will be on trial for beating a man to death. On the news they released the tape where you hear the murderer saying “yes” that he beat the victim with his hands - that does not sound like an “accident” to me. This guy needs to be locked up for a long time and get some serious psychological help. I don’t want people that are capable of this around myself or children and I think that most decent citizens would agree. “Another friend” says that Jason doesn’t deserve what has been dealt to him (so therefore he will support him), Life is not fair, which is why we make the proper choices when important decisions come along. That is what we were taught as children. He is the one who got himself where he is now. I know plenty of folks who didn’t deserve what life dealt them and they didn’t run off and hurt anyone. We should give our funds to support all these children, rather than a boy who was able to kill another human with his own hands. If Jason was a man (a) this would not have happened and (b) he would give all his fundraising to those he left abdoned. Americans don’t need, or want, him walking the streets. As far as his military history, that doesn’t give him a free pass to kill someone. It sickens me to see the way everyone is rallying around the poor soldier who “accidentally” killed a man. The murder’s supporters don’t give details because if others knew the REAL details they wouldn’t be able to squeeze money out of them. Before you give money to this guy, do your research - look at the facts and determine if your money will be better used elswhere. It’s not what they say, it’s what they DON’T say. How is this guy being made an example of? The last I checked, killers were charged and locked up. Should he be freed since he went to Iraq? All you have to do is search the television stations to get details of what happened. Although it’s pretty one-sided (since the other man is dead) I think It’s pretty cut and dry in my opinion. You kill someone, you need to pay. I guess we’ll have to watch how this plays out. If the vet card continues to be played, I hope the rest of our servicemen don’t fall for it - I know I don’t.
God Bless America and I hope Justice is served.
In reguards to “just some thoughts” thank you for your input. I too think this is going to play out strange it seems friends on both sides are hopping around. I have many questions from some of the deleted responses, which I won’t ask because I believe they are unfounded. One question and maybe some friends will chime in is if Jason was in a fight where are his bruises of scratches it seems since Mr Douglass died of multiple blunt force trama to the head you would think he would have taken a swing or something to protect himself. And Mr Roach did say he did this with his own hands if he loved this friend after one or two punches with the immediate swelling that occurs to the head didn’t he have the ability to say what the hell am I doing this is someone I love. Like I said confussed. It is very sad and if he didn’t he really does need to be where he is.
I want to add some insight on the reports that Kelly was “left by the side of the road” Every way that this was reported was made to sound as if Jason is a brutal animal, who beat Kelly, then left him by the side of the road to die.
The reason that Kelly was by the side of the road was because after 911 was called, Jason felt like it was taking the ambulance to long to arrive, & he was trying to put Kelly in the car to take him to the hospital. The 911 tape that we heard, Jason was yelling for help in the background, he was yelling for someone to help him put Kelly in the car, because he couldn’t do it himself.
So please dont believe everything that the news reports to be factual.
Just curious where it was reported that
“Mr Douglass died of multiple blunt force trama to the head”
To my knowledge the autopsy has not been released yet & there is no official cause of death.
Although I have also seen reports that he hit his head on the concrete during the fight.
I also am just confused about it all, just pointing out that I think everyone is presuming, and the news is not that reliable.
just some thoughts, the only real facts in scenario will come from autopsy reports and from true police investigation. news paper accounts and news stories are not always compleatly right on facts. If you hope justice is served then where does innocent until proven guilty come into play? I do beleive this is part of every ones contitutional rights. To brand someone a murderer you should have knowledge beyond a reasonable doubt that this man had premeditated this beating ,do you? As for not wanting him on the street around you or children ,how many people do you think you have had some sort of contact with at some point in your life who would be could be or have done what you acuse Jason the murder of ? I don’t think anyone on this sight is condoning a murder of anyone. As you said your information has come from news and reading information on this sight. God help you would ever be put into a corner for any reason that resposiable actions and thoughts might need to prevail but for that one stupid instant they didn’t.
If this was a witch hunt and this was Salem all three would have confessed been tried and burned at the stake but it’s not and NO ONE has the right to call some one a murderer without proof of guilt. The vet card is not being played by Jason ,the vet card is being played by and continueing to be played by true to fact media Everyone is entitled to thier own thoughts and I am no implying you are not intitled but as you say stick to the facts, which most people on this blog sight I’m sure have more insight than you seem to. The reason being they are friends family and people who know some or all of these people. Facts have to be proven for a guilty verdict. be kind and really think on this situation before you brand some one a killer.
on the issue of the “vet card”… that only attests to his character for serving our nation and securing our freedom. Secondly, there also might be issues from him going to Iraq such as post traumatic stress disorder and no that is not an excuse for what happened. It will be a call for help to Jason like many veterans need now.
So many of our veterans that return from war are forever changed but there is little to no outreach after they get home. There are approximately 18 Iraq and Afghanistan veterans committing suicide daily, over 300,000 veterans are homeless, and countless with addictions to cope.
This is a dire issue that receives little to no attention but is truly a crisis. What kind of country are we to have our freedoms protected by brave men and women only to forget them when they get home.
Everyone seems to have their version of the story here but no one was there or has the official reports from that night. Innocent until proven guilty needs to be observed as well as Jason receiving his due process. Up until this point the media has portrayed Jason as a savage who viciously beat Kelly to death without remorse or a shred of care. It is a typical scenario of the deranged veteran killing people. When will we ever remove the stigma and stereotypes of our veterans?
Remember the children involved for they truly are innocent in all of this and fill your heart with compassion not vengeance.
I agree with Johnny Waltz that we need to care for our vets but lets go further than that we need to care for all the people that suffer serve tragedy and stress. Who is to say the children of these two men will not need some kind of phych help.. yet here we are sending money to other country for thier needy and medical needs. I think the USA is a great country and I’m very proud of all the men and women that serve yet I think most of the others of us need to look in the mirror and see what we can do flying an American flag is a great start don’t you think. After 9/11 everyone caught the fever now I’m lucky if I see one house on a street that has the flag flying. I feel for Mr Roach but seeing these comments I wonder if he even seeked help it sounds like he wanted his wife to stay in love with him and was not aware that you can not force someone to love you no matter how you feel. So I say yes help the vets but don’t say just because hes a vet he deserves help…we all deserve help from this great country if we need it.
Trust me everyone involved in this situation is going to need help no doubt. What I am trying to get at is the fact that there is a stigma about veterans who serve in wars and many are instantly given a bad rap once something like this happens. NO ONE knows what happened that night but Jason and Kelly and secondly all of the information regarding a love affair is still untested.
We are all assuming because of what some people say and what the media says that it is gospel. Wouldn’t it be wise to see all of the facts of this case before we cast any judgment on anyone. From the instant this happened Jason has been portrayed as a butcher and it is wrong. We havea constitution which provides for due process and we are innocent until proven otherwise.
Hey Karen - if Jason is not using the “vet card” - you say that the media is, then why does it seem to be a theme all over his website where he wants me to give him my money for his defense? Besides that, they posted (regarding the murder and homicide charges) “this the family believes this is an excessive charge for a tragic accident and a case of self-defense that does not call for murder charges”. Well, you yourself stated that the autopsy results did not come back, so how can he label this as an “accidental death?” As far as “self defense” - I didn’t see a scratch on that boy at the hearing. I don’t have to brand this guy a killer, he did that on his own. If he and his supporters can label him as a Vet getting a bad rap for a tragic accident of self defense, then why can’t I see him as a murderer that needs to do time? As sad as it is, there had to justification for the upgraded charges. I don’t view this guy as a deranged veteren killing someone. I look at this guy as a human being losing control of himself (that just happened to be a vet).
Just some thoights no one is going to answer your question about why Jason didn’t have a scatch on him. Because it doesn’t help the whole self defense thing. I also wonder why this gentle giant didn’t use his rage on Kellys mid section instead of his head. And the autopsy report may not be out but I wonder what the temporary death certificate says???? Is thats where this information may be coming from and maybe thats why the Courts bumped up his charges. I have done some homework myself and found out that (if the law is the same in all state which it may not be but this is what I read in the Ohio Law Library to the best of my understanding) a person is charged with murder if his/her actions caused the death of another. So in this case its true isn’t it. Even if Jason only punched him once and he fell into anything , Jasons punch caused the fall and that led to the death. So he can be charged with murder and it will be up to the jury to decide otherwise I guess. You will also not see a autopsy report unless there is an inquest (I have no idea what that is didn’t get that far} and usually those reports are not made public until after the trial is over. Although a temporary death certificate is used to allow family to look into their own options it will give the cause of death and the ruling such as homicide. I personally believe Jason should be able to have his fundraisers but I also feel his family shouldn’t expect everyone to want to help no matter what Jason killed a man on his own terms…he could have walked away after the first punch Kellys ability to walk away was compermised. I am however saying killed in a loose sence of the word since Jason is a vet we really don’t know if he has killed in combat either which would just intensify all of this wouldn’t it. I am just so sorry for the
children involved I think they are the real victims in this mess not only have they lost their dads one forever and another for a long time but they have lost each other thats so sad.
First of all Johnny Waltz thank you for your your input . I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks due process and innocence until proven guilty go together . You are right NO ONE knows what really went down that night. And I’m also glad to see that someone else doesn’t think the media is gosple.
Now on to just some thoughts– to answer your question about Jasons web page …..
Jason has been in jail since the 18th,so I don’t think Jason posted the web site unless
jail has turned into a country club .I don’t think they provide you computer access to make your own defense fund. I don’t know who posted the web site for him.
As for me stating that the autopsy reports did’t come back that is not what I stated .I beleive I stated a fact that the real facts would come from the autopsy report not that anyone did or did not have access to it. But I can assure you that if it came back the defense laywer ,the prosecuting attorney and the team investigating to make the case will have it.
Who is the they that posted (”this family beleives this is an eccessive charge for a tragic accident and a case of self defense that does not call for a murder charge” I must have missed that part when I read stories.
I’m curious, you stated you only read the articles and blogs on this case so my question to you is how is it you didn’t see a scratch on him at the hearing? Were you in the court room? Unless you were there and looking close who would know .I haven’t really heard any one say. I say the media used the Vet card because every story starts the headline with Iraq War Vet Charged so who is using the vet card?
Every mother and father and relative wants to beleive thier son or daughter are incapable of henious crime that is premeditated . Thats why it should be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Again just some thoughts I’m sorry if you thought my post was a personel attack it wasnot just a little food for thoght ,just as you would want be proven guilty of a crime if you were in the same position….. at least I would .
I personally think his bail was set too high but that was a judgement call for the judge to make on this case. Sometimes charges are upgraded to get a person to plead to a lesser crime to save the cost of a jury trial .If Jason had plead guilty to manslaughter then he could have been sentced without a trial and saved the state money and cost of jurors and all the people involved in a trial process.
I’m sorry if I came across that you didn’t have the right to think of Jason as a muderer .That is your right to think as you wish .My point was that to pin a lable on some one you need or shoud have all the facts and they are not in . Whats been stated on this sight is hearsay from one mouth to another. My point was that the real story and facts will be presented at his trial in front of a jurors made up of his peers. They will technically be the ones to hold Jason’s life in thier hands and all the debates and speculation on this sight is not going to amount to a hill of beans, except as your opinion which you are most certanly entitiled to, just as everyone else is entitled to thier opinion .
Now the media …when this story first came out labled Kelly as a stalker which from all accounts was not true. These 2 men have small impressionable children who will hear both lables for thier parents, not to mention lable for mother too .
My understanding is that the fund raiser are being put on by some vets .Is that correct?
Now if everyone is that concerned for the children would someone like to see about setting up a trust for all the kids involved?
To “a thought for everyone” - In response: To “another friend” - You say I sound angry and cold hearted… You are darn right, I am angry. Cold hearted no. You do not know me, so you have no right to judge me either. Appears to be a pattern with you. And no, it does not make me feel any better. I lost two wonderful friends from my life. And you keep implying “IF” there was an affair…how do YOU know there wasn’t? You don’t know the parties very well, and obviously don’t know Misty, or maybe you do, and that is the reason you are defending her so adamantly. Yes I am sure Jason wanted to fight Kelly that is the only thing you are correct on. He loved his wife. But I will not even justify the remaining comments you have made, because you obviously don’t know what you are talking about. My only questions to you, were you at Jason’s home that night, how do you know what happened - were you at the funeral home that morning when Misty walked in.. Do you have any idea how his (Kelly’s) family felt about her being there? I am not pulling this information out of thin air. And regarding the autopsy report, no it is not out yet, but guess what - the coroner report is.. And do us all a favor next time you post, it only takes a moment to complete a spelling and grammar check. Those of you reading this that are getting your information from the blogs and media, please do not believe everything you have read. Kelly was not a stalker, and Jason is not a cold blooded killer. I know we all have our opinions, and emotions on this site. I guess it is a place for us to vent, to release our anger. It is not at Kelly, it is not at Jason. It just is. There are so many other personal details that those of us closer to the situation know about, that happened leading up to that day that I pray come out in court. But this is not the venue. This has been a terrible tragedy for the children involved, for Kelly’s mom and sister.
Oh I also wanted to let Mr Waltz know that Kellys family is also a family of the USA vet heritage his father served in Vietnam. And lets face it those soldiers were treated like crap compared to the soldiers of Iraq I DONT SEE ANYONE SPITTING ON THEM AND CALLING THEM BABY KILLERS. No I didn’t serve wasn’t even 10 when it was over which I believe its still not we have a lot still MIA/PIA and that ticks me off because we asked/made these men go to war and then treated them like crap. So Jason went to Iraq I say great “thank you” but don’t take that as now you can use that to use that as a defense to act and use your judgement poorly. In all I would think he could see how great it is to have choices unlike those in IRAQ. So this whole Vet card think is to me a sympathy thing, the service teaches you to be a better person a person with honor, I know all the facts are not ours to see but I don’t believe Jason acted Honorably and yes you could say that also about Kelly except we do and should hold Jason at a higher level he was a leader in up holding our freedom and liberties he was a soldier. Im sorry he forgot that that night. Walking away would have been the more glorious move.
I just wanted to thank everyone that has been helping my Aunt and Cousin during this most difficult time. Due to our family being spread across the country (as most of you know, we are all from military families), it is impossible to physically help them with daily tasks. Several of Kelly’s friends have assisted my Aunt with Kelly’s paperwork - you are wonderful! Since my Aunt does not drive, I would also like to express thanks to those who have been helping her with groceries. Our sincere gratitude goes out to all those that have taken the time to help. No matter how minor a task may seem to you, it speaks volumes to us. I speak for our entire family when I say “Thank you!”
I need to put out a request:
I am reaching out to all Kelly’s friends for help…. Kelly’s mother would like to be present when Jason is in the courtroom. If anyone can give my Aunt and cousin a ride to future hearings she would greatly appreciate it.
As one can imagine, as a mother, it is very important that she hear what happened to her son. Please contact her if you are able to assist her.
Please pass this message along for me.
Thank you for your kindness.
Christine if no one is able to help. Have someone call the States Attorney and see if they have a Victims Advocate. Most states do that person will be able to get anyone from the family to court they want them there and usually will sit with them and give the people around them boundaries too. Which may or may not be necessary depending on how bad this whole thing gets. Just a suggestion. They help with everything from daycare to interpreters its actually very neat. Hope that helps.
What I am failing to understand is that there is a complete dismissal of Jason’s due process by those who are posting on here… I will ask over and over, what happened to innocent until proven otherwise? Unlike many that are posting here I do have compassion for everyone involved in this matter. Instead of filling you heart with vengeance, anger and revenge let us all step back to grasp what is going on here. Again, not one of us were there that night and the only ones that know what happened is Jason and Kelly.
Many including the media have branded Jason as a savage Iraq veteran who murdered Kelly in cold blood. Is that fair? NO. Is it fair that Kelly died and his family will never see him again? NO. The mitigating circumstances of what happened that night though need to be considered before anyone rushes to judgment.
No one is saying a crime should go unpunished, but what is right, what is just, is to know what justice is and that will only be known when all the details come out. The idea that because someone died someone has to pay is ignoring the possibility this was an accident.
Jason told the police he started hitting Kelly as soon as he saw him.Jason already confessed to this…..We also heard him say on the 911 tape that he did this with his bare hands….Your web site about self defense is just plain bull..2 things we know for sure…
1 Kelly is dead from the beating that Jason gave him and 2 Jason amitted to this on the 911 tape and also to police later.. If anything you should try raise some money for the Child of Kelly and his mother for her wrongful death lawsuit… I know I’ll match anything you raise to send to the Douglas family
If Kelly was so concerned with his child why was the sole beneficiary of his life insurance his friend. Tell him to pass those funds on to the child. If you are so well educated then you should also know that a child will receive social security benefits in situations like this that will help take care of her financial needs.
It appears that hatred is the only thing that is left coming from Kelly supporters and are blinded by it.
Mr Waltz again I ask where are Jason wounds self defense implies you are in danger of your own life. Also I believe in due process but I don’t believe in fairy tales. One punch and a person falls and hits his head is an accident repeated punches due to anger or jealousy or whatever Jason was thinking doesn’t mean accident to me. To me that means he got out of control do I think he meant to kill his friend “no way he’d be an animal then” but that doesn’t mean it was an accident it simply means he lost control should he pay for that “yes” if a parent looses control and hurts their child do we say oh he/she just lost control and it was an accident. No most parents want to string him/her up to the rafters and Lord help us but we need to stop using that word accident like its absolution or something Jason killed a man and for him to say I’m sorry that great but it won’t turn back time. And to the law says maybe Kellys’ friend has already started the process in giving that money to his family. And by the way one of my insurance policy goes to my youngest brother because at that time I had no children have I changed it no because I know my brother will take care of my kids. Maybe Kellys friend is like a brother you know he didn’t have one of those.
Assessment of assumed events:
Kelly went to house after being told not to
Shows up and fight starts (did Jason see Kelly’s loaded gun?)
Kelly slips and hits head (driveway was icy)
Jason calls for help and attempts to put Kelly in his car because ambulance was taking too long
Self defense laws in Ohio says:
First, the defendant must prove that he was not at fault for
creating the situation. (Kelly went to home armed)
Second, the defendant must prove that, at the time, he had a
real belief that he was in immediate danger of death or great bodily
harm and that his use of deadly force was the only way to escape
that danger. (Kelly was armed)
In Ohio, there is no duty to retreat from one’s own home.
There is no duty to retreat if there is no manner by which you can
retreat safely. However, being in one’s own home is not a license
to use deadly force against an attacker. The person who is
attacked in his own home, without fault of his own, may stand his
ground and use deadly force only if he reasonably and honestly
believed that deadly force was necessary to prevent serious bodily
harm or death. If the person does not have this belief or he created
the confrontation, he cannot use deadly force and must leave the
situation, even if he is in his own home. (Kelly came to home armed)
We can all make our own creation of events and try and make one side or the other look better. Reality is Kelly should not have been there, two grown men should have not been fighting and if Kelly had harmless intentions why all the weapons and a loaded gun? You have a right to defend yourself and your home. The alleged affair in reality is the second factor to it all.
Did anyone else read about this story & wonder what the difference was?? And to date, there are still no charges filed???
Middletown detectives are investigating the death of a man apparently at the hands of his own brother. Police say the young men got into a fight in the parking lot of Fricker’s Restaurant on Roosevelt Boulevard around four o’clock Friday morning.
They had reportedly come from a nightclub in Centerville and were picking up a vehicle they had left in the lot. 25 year old Carlos Chavez was reportedly arguing with his 18 year old brother Abraham on the drive back to Middletown.
When they got out of the car Carlos punched his brother in the face. Abraham Chavez fell and struck his head. Carlos and two friends rushed Abraham to the hospital but he died of head injuries.
No charges are filed at this point but the Butler County Prosecutors office has joined the investigation.
Thank you for your information “Just Consfused About It All.” I appreciate you sharing your knowledge.
Also, some side notes - it is amazing that people feel the need to write their versions of assumed stories about what, how, and why this event occured. I think that everyone needs to stick to the important known facts at this point. Although this case will be one sided, I have hope that there is enough evidence to shed light on the truth.
I also find it disheartening that people find it necessary to write things like “If Kelly was so concerned with his child why was the sole beneficiary of his life insurance his friend” - Yet within the same statement write, “It appears that hatred is the only thing that is left coming from Kelly supporters and are blinded by it.” ……..Classy.
Question to assessment of assumed I’m curious to know this loaded gun was it found on Kelly and if not where was it and if he was getting beaten then why the heck didn’t he use it. And if no one was there except Jason and Kelly how do you know so much??? Just curious since no one has ever mentioned so much detail before … maybe they weren’t alone after all why don’t you tell us. Anyone else thinking the same?????
Just confused about it all,
Exactly my thoughts! Doesn’t make much sense. If the victim had a gun on him at the time, seems to me it would have been reported as a “self defense” case from the beginning. Besides, If the victim had a gun on his person I’m pretty sure the other guy would be dead! It was a real nice story though. It says “Assessment of Assumed Events” and you know what the saying is about assuming! Let’s just stick to the facts.
Oh and it seems to me the difference between the guy that killed his brother is that his brother’s death was caused by a fall. Unlike in this case, he hit his brother one time (he said it was not hard) and the brother lost his balance, fell, and hit his head. In the case we are discussing, the victim was beaten to death to the point that a passerby thought he was hit by a car! I think the difference is pretty obvious.
Just another thought from my readings I think its you have the right to defend your self in your own home. Supposedly this all to place outside the home at least thats Jasons version. Its all over the news lately you don’t have a right to kill a person just because they are on your property they have to have entered your home to pose the immediate danger thats why you have no where to retreat to. I may be wrong but thats what I’ve read. And Christine your welcome and good luck … I think it will be good for everyone (especially those who them selves have children to look into Kellys mothers eyes and say it was just an accident and by the way we think your sons at fault … I guess we will see who the mice are and who the men are. So please look into her eyes Mr Assessment of Assumed Events. A Mothers love is forever so no matter how bad you feel you will never have the power to make a Mother abandon or disrespect her child or their memory.. That goes for Jasons mother too thats her son and hopefully no matter where that gavel falls she to will never abandon her son.
to answer question on why Kelly had his friend as a benificiary is,Kelly knew his friend would always make sure Sydni was taken care of,He didn’t trust his ex wife with that money, should something happen to him. I have done the same thing with mine. I WANT MY SISTER TO MAKE SURE MY CHILDREN ARE TAKE should something happen to me,my ex toke enough already and I would trust her to put back money for thier furture at all. Also there was no loaded gun found on Kelly, it was in car because he was going to Target world to learn to use it and he had already completed classes on carring it. Jason confessed to hitting Kelly and causing his death,that we know.!
To just some thoughts…..you dont know anybody involved?? Well thats really sad in my opinion to hear all the hatefullness you spewed in your blog when you dont even know either parties involved…you seem so angry..that makes me very sad for you.
Its totally understandable for those of Kellys friends and family to voice their opinions no matter how hateful…they are kind of intitled too, since they lost a love one to horrible circumstances. I know I would be very angry if i were in thier shoes
To AG earlier email: Your words were written beautifully and I thank you for appearing to have an open mind in this situation…your right, blame can be placed many places not just one.
As far as Jason goes…he has not asked for one person to help him in this case….Jason does not play the vet card, the media started that….and all of us should know (if we actually know either parties involved) the media doesnt really get anything right, they seem to destort anything they can to make for a bigger story.
That comment about Jason’s myspace was so silly….Jason is really rallying people together for his sake from a jail cell…ok…. like someone said earlier if you actually knew Jason, then you would be able to understand why we are all rallying around Jason…you would only understand if you knew him….Jason is not a cold blooded murder and to the one that said they didnt want Jason near thier kids…I guess that would be easy to say about someone you knew that was in this perdicament without knowing them as a person.
How many of us have ever been a fist fight?….i personally have not but I would venture to say 50% of men have at on time or another whether it be from childhood on up…what if every person that was in a fist fight died? there would be alot of murders out there. To Kellys defenders what I just said was not to belittle what happened to Kelly….I feel for his entire family and this was wrong…it was wrong for kelly to die at Jasons hands but it was an accident, as soon as Jason realized what happened, he was trying to get Kelly help, it was never Jasons intentions to kill him. None the less kelly did die and Jason will have to live with that for the rest of his life…
Kelly and Jason were alot alike and I honestly cant imagine Kelly would be looking down at Jason…once a friend and want the vengance that some seem to want to come to Jason… Kelly would know that Jason never meant to kill him and I dont think he would want Jason’s kids to be w/out thier dad and if the roles were reveresed and Kelly would have killed Jason that night I dont think Jason would want to keep Kelly from Sydni.
I have question for Kellys cousin and I say this respectfully but I dont quite understand why you need help to bring Kelly mom and sister to court? I totally get where Kellys mom needs to be there…but dont you think it would be easier on Kellys mother to grieve there at the courtroom as she takes it all in, without the pressure of caring for disabled daughter as well? I can imagine this will be a very difficult time for her and I would think that having her daughter there would be more of a distraction, especially since Mika is able to go her normal activies in the day where she would be looked after properly….Please dont try and use Kellys sisters disablity to get sympathy from the court but instead take your aunts feelings into consideration.
To the person who questions kellys love for his daughter by appointing his friend as a beneficiary….I pray that if you have minor children you would be smart enough to know that you should never leave your minor children as beneficarys on your life insurance policies… a trust should be established or you should leave the money to someone you know w/out a shadow of a doubt will take care of them the way you would want.
Two things can happen if you leave your children as a beneficary 1) whoever is left as the executor of the will can really screw your kids over…this happened to girl I worked with, her dad left everything to his daughters which one was 20 at the time he died but appointed his girlfriend as the executor and she screwed his children over big time…they werent even able to take things from thier fathers home…
or 2. most children that would be able to get thier hands on a large sum of money at 18….9 times out of 10 would squander it away and not use it appropriatly like for college etc…Check with your financial advisor always b/f leaving your minor children as your beneficaries
Since we are now going back to this calling Jason a cold blooded killer thing I think at least I understand he is not being called that here as far as I’ve seen but you have to keep in mind we do not and it my even be classified know if he has killed before. He is an Iraq War vet and some have said suffering from PTSD so to say that means he may have seen or done thing that are traumatic. Its said but if you are his friend and loyal to him then saying you would trust him around your children is Morally wonderful but if indeed he did suffer some traumatic episode in Iraq you would not be leaving your child with the Jason you kne before or even after this traumatic scene of killing a friend that to me is not worth my child’s life I can be loyal to a friend yet still recognize when he need to have limitations. Its not to say you don’t still love him but since I’ve been talking to other vets you and I have no idea what goes on…..just like when we here of Vietnam and many of us get sick to our stomachs that our brothers,uncles,fathers, and son..daughters, sisters, aunts and mothers have to put their lives out their… all I’m saying is you should be more realistic and think of your children I know I would. The power of love is great but it don’t fix everything. And I believe that Ms Douglas should take her daughter she is not loud and doesn’t disturb any one and I don’t believe she should be excluded because shes handicapped that was her BROTHER you and I don’t know what handicapped people understand or don’t we aren’t them so to presume she is some trophy sympathy vote is ignorant on your behalf…Just as Jason has every right to say he is the father of 3 and would never hurt a fly unless provoked…that also could be looked upon as sympathy just as the Iraq vet or but he was having an affair with my wife…poor guy… Mikas not a newborn she is a woman that was expected to die by her 11th birthday maybe shes hung on so long to life because of her family with her dad dying 2yrs ago and now her brother being dead maybe she will loose her lust to live who are we to say she doesn’t understand…you don’t know and if it hurts Jason case sorry but she is as much of a victim and Kellys mom.
I just want to add here your views on PTSD are the exact stigma that PTSD disabled veterans like myself endure everyday. I did not kill someone in order to experience PTSD but being in a war zone changes people, seeing death changes people, and being in any traumatic situation can create PTSD. This issue was not even brought up by Jason or even in his case rather the issue with even mentioning PTSD is not directed towards a defense but something that should not go untreated if he has it.
I have three children myself and due to my disability I stay home with my children. So you are saying because I actually am clinically diagnosed with PTSD I should not be around my children? Being misinformed about PTSD only perpetuates the stigma that the condition has. Many in our society view veterans as uncontrollable animals because we have seen war and carnage. This is far from true and in all honesty it is like many other mental illnesses. There is help out there and there needs to be more done towards outreach.
Due to the stigma and a lack of outreach 18 veterans are committing suicide daily and countless are addicted to substances. Treatment is vital and I have found that out personally.
Angie, I say this “respectfully” as well - Mind your own business.
I simply put out a message based on my Aunt’s request. If my Aunt chooses to have my cousin there, then she may do so. It it quite obvious that you are not a well educated individual, so let me try to enlighten you:
My cousin, regardless of her disability, is a human being - not some “sympathy” token as you would like to portray her. My cousin is not a “distraction” - she is a person that may not be able to communicate, but certainly has feelings. As most people know, individuals with disabilities give strength to others. With the comments you have made regarding my Aunt’s wishes, it is apparent that most of the global population has a higher I.Q. than you - hands down. Don’t EVER speak about my Aunt, her wishes, or my cousin. I don’t know who YOU think you are, but I know that you are a worthless disgrace in need serious psychological counseling.
I totally understand your point and I am not an individual that is saying that PTSD is only for people that suffered at war because they killed someone, people that are sexually abused suffer from PTSD I was just making my point that we can not say that Jason didn’t see horrable things or even have to cause horrible things….And would you trust anyone with PTSD to watch your children…my point being how do you know…ALL of Jasons friend said he was different since he came back that is my point…Good for you that your PTSD made you a good dad but it hasn’t for everyone has it ….ITS NOT BLACK AND WHITE and until I know for absolute my children will be safe NO WAY do I put them at risk for anyone your kids are your business. I think you would understand that as much as anyone since being a soldier you have seen just as many people be warm and loving become cold and heart less do to war its a horrible price to pay. I feel for everyone that has paid that price being from a military family trying myself to enlist and couldn’t because of health reasons I give huge THANK YOUs to them especially the full time enlisted men and women. But I learned from personal experience you can grow up with someone, put your life in their hands and love them to pieces and one day something happens and they change. It happens everyday and you can’t tell me that if Jason saw no trangedy in Iraq that this will not change him and I’m sorry, but it surely won’t change him for the better otherwise everyone would be doing it we all need to change for the better at some point in our lives.
Angie it is nice you love your friend and all but to say Kelly wouldn’t want Jason in jail is only your opinion… And just to enlighten you, you may know Jason like the back of your hand and think he’s great and wonderful and didn’t mean for this to happen. But just as you can’t know what Kelly would say you can’t know what Jason was thinking with the punches he was throwing. Have you ever noticed people that have done terrible things when people talk to their neighbors and their friends they all say WOW he/she was such a great person that’s why we all feel so mad. Because why didn’t we get it and couldn’t we have stopped it if we knew. Just like it is hard for Kelly’s family to comprehend that he would seek out the love of a married woman (if that is true) it should be equally as hard for those who love Jason to understand why a person they love could have done such a thing but please don’t make Jason out to be someone that should just go free NO ONE on this blog knows the whole truth AND IF it comes out in trial that Jason punched Kelly repeatedly in the head not once but more than once more than twice will you still feel that he should just get to go home because he didn’t mean it. My question then would be when didn’t he mean it?
I to am a cousin of Kelly, I am Law Enforcement Officer. I also was a U.S. Military member for 6 years. I had been deployed several times, and so you know Mr. Waltz, I too am a disabled military vet.
First to Mr. Waltz, I respect that you have also served, but the problem I see is, as the military teaches you, there are no accidents, everything is preventable through training, education and practice, its called Operational Risk Management. The career I was it if you make a mistake a lot of people (civilian and military) were going to die. Every one in this tragedy has some RESPONSIBILITY for what happened. Remember Article VI of the code of conduct: “I will never forget I am an American, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America.” The key phrase “responsible for my actions”. And don’t LIE by stating “Unlike many that are posting here I do have compassion for everyone involved in this matter.” When you name is a link to the help Jason Get Free Page” What else are you lying about! Doesn’t that shot your credibility to 5h1t!! I would like to know were you got the 16 vets a day are committing suicide statement another fabricated lie! And about the page “upright citizen” he killed a Man, “Brave Soldier” was he on convoy duty or town patrol? I didn’t think so!! Again with the VET CARD. Were is the “I couldn’t satisfy my wives need” picture!! The sad part of this tragedy is Avon and the Ohio State National Guard and the countless members and employees will be associated with Jason Roach the guy that beat his friend to death, thanks to the press and his attorney. Now when some high school student comes home and wants to enlist in the Ohio State National Guard the first thing their parents will think of or read on the internet will be Jason Roach the Ohio State National Guard Member, Iraq Vet, that worked at Avon needs help because he accidentally beat his friend, a fellow Avon employee, to death over a wife that loved him so much she left her first husband for him and then cheated on him with another man!! WTF was my cousin thinking getting involved with this woman. She’s already shown that she has no morals. Was it his inheritance Misty??!! I only Pray K.K. can forgive me for what I haven’t said about this woman. Sorry for all the other Outstanding Ohio State National Guardsmen that are now seen in the same light as Jason Roach, I can’t control my temper but you can trust me with a weapon in a foreign country unsupervised. I’m tired of every time a military member whether active duty or retired or a vet gets in trouble the attorney and the press have to let every one know that he was in the military is that so the rest of the military member can look bad because of a few irresponsible people that can take responsibility for their own actions!! Did the Ohio State National Guard train him or was it the lack of training that made him commit this terrible act? NO! Is it Avon’s Fault because they didn’t see this coming and prevent it? NO! Come on Misty & Jason don’t be cowards stand up and take some responsibility! Kelly can’t thanks to Jason.
To Angie, Jason / his attorney use the Father of 3 and the Iraq War Vet sympathy cards every time I hear about this case. Why doesn’t Jason tell his attorney (who works for him) not to use those sympathy cards. If my cousin Mika, Kelly’s sister, shouldn’t go than if Jason has any brothers or sisters they shouldn’t go either. Or maybe you see disabled people like the NAZI’s did and think they should be euthanized. I’ll Pray for you, Angie, because Human Beings aren’t a distraction! Ignorance, Stupidity and Insensitivity IS! Why don’t you go burn the Special Olympic Flag while you’re at it!!
First of all, you obviously have no FACTS regarding this case. Jason is not a member of the National Guard the last time that I checked. If you are Kellys cousin… how often did you talk to him? When was the last time you saw him? How often did you keep in touch with him? How do you know anything about his relationship with Misty? It is ignorant of you to think that Kelly was a stupid man. I would like to also point out that no one on here writing in Jasons defense is bashing Kelly, as some of Kellys family is. Kelly & Jasons were friends, Kelly attended birthday parties for his girls at Jasons mothers house, Kelly also went to Mistys familys house. So the difference here to me is that Jasons friends & family had the pleasure of knowing Kelly, therefore they know what kind of man he was & have nothing bad or disrespectful to say. Kellys family is all over the world & does not know Jason, so please do not have such harsh words for someone you do not know. You are basing what you writing on these web sites. Sounds to me like you are just as intelligent as Angie. I’m not at all implying that since you were not close that you are not hurt, just proving that you only know what you are reading & what the news said. Do you know that they reported “Jeffery Roach” for 2 days after this?? They showed condos 4 blocks away from Jasons house as the scene of the accident?? So God help you if you believe everything you read or hear on the news. And your inheritance comment is just to stupid to reply to.
Jason wasn’t a National Guardsman to start with. And what kind of mn goes behind his “friends” back while he is deployed and tries to start something with his wife? I’m sorry if I don’t agree with all your views advocate, but how is Jason less brave than the men and women patrolling on foot? Mortars don’t discriminate between infitry men and soldiers who are posted on a base doing MOS related jobs like Jason, who instlled communication wires on two different camps. He is a proud father who spent a lot of his deployment worrying about his familywhile he was away and committed himself for another 6 six years while he was in Kuwait to the Army so that he could prolong his service to his country. He may not have been wounded during the war, but he was still in the same dangers that other soldiers were. He served in the International Zone and in Camp Anaconda, having to respond to mortar fire several times. He did serve proudly and he served faithfuly. Sorry for the tragedy of your cousin, but I still disagree with the fact that Kelly’s actions don’t also make him responsible for what happened.
To Rob says I think you missed the Devils Advocates statement that EVERYONE has responsibility in the tragic event…You may want to read it again. I really don’t care what form of the Armed service he was in he still had special training a civilian doesn’t even in first aid or life support. The whole thing is a mess and it really doesn’t matter if you all want to blame Kelly the truth will come out and by the way he didn’t fall………..So keep on keeping on and don’t you all believe what you read or what you are told. The experts will tell us all what happened by what they get paid to do examine the CRIME scene. So keep blaming Kelly he is not here to get sympathy like Jason. But remember this all of this when the truth comes out and the final death certificate….will it still read the same homicide due to multiply blunt force trauma to the head or did the person who does that job make a huge mistake. I don’t really know. But name calling and lashing out at Kelly won’t help any of you but the truth will prevail I’m sure of that. No matter what anyone says NO ONE should believe that taking a life should go unpunished that is like saying Kelly was a disposable person and thank you Jason for your good work …..GIVE ME A BREAK
Just Confused About it All,
Thank you for speaking so kindly about my cousin. It is a miracle that she is alive and in good health. I believe the loving home care that my Aunt, Uncle, and Kelly have provided has enabled her to survive.
In my heart, I know that she misses her little brother.
Again, thank you for your insight and respectful comments concerning this matter.
First let me apologize. I was wrong to blame Kelly and there were a lot of factors involved inwhat happened. I just dislike the fact that he insults other people who have served in other military jobs than in the jobs that require someone to go out into a city on foot. Yes they are brave people, but there are plenty of people who are over there putting their lives on hold to serve in the war and they may never get out into a city, but is their sacrifice any less if they are killed while working on a post? Roach wasn’t a soldier trained immensely on how to do combat medic skills. He really couldn’t have done anything if the death is because of blunt force trauma either. I know that killing someone is wrong, but I can’t say that I would have responded differently than Roach did from everything that I have heard from the people who know him. Again, I’m sorry if I offended anyone related to Kelly, I was just upset that Advocate wanted to demean that because Roach wasn’t foot patrolling the cities he wasn’t also putting himself out there when one of the leading causes of death in Iraq are not just only IEDs and gun fire, but also mortars which are shot into camps where soldiers live.
Its very condescending that you say:
“The experts will tell us all what happened by what they get paid to do examine the
CRIME scene.”
But then you also state:
“and by the way he didn’t fall”
and also:
“the final death certificate….will it still read the same homicide due to multiply blunt force trauma
to the head”
So were you there? How do you know he didnt fall? I’m not claiming to know the
cause of death, however I am not presuming anything. Does it make sense to you that
you say Jason beat him, but yet you dont think that he fell??? I think you should follow
your own advise and let the experts tell us what happened that night, you’re right, thats what they get paid to do, not you.
To clarify myself no I was not there but if a temporary death certificate states multiple blunt force trauma and Jason is stating he hit Kelly once or shoved him and he fell and hit his head what did he just keep falling and hitting his head that is my point we will not know how many times Kelly was hit and since its ruled a homicide I believe it does make it a CRIME scene sorry. If you go down this page you will see that in my research I found unless I read the Ohio Law Library stuff wrong that NO PERSON in the public will get an Autopsy report until after the trial but the state enters a temporary death certificate for the purpose of life insurance and ect what ever it may be needed for. Please read I am not an expert but multiple to me means more than once and if we are searching for the truth than we shouldn’t just believe one side of everything. There will always be Jason’s side and the side told by the experts will have to be Kelly’s side. And then what everyone on both sides want something to make us all feel better I really don’t think that will every happen … a life is gone and a person is already paying for that life. But I don’t believe he is the only one paying everyone is and is this really all because a man fell in love with a women while she was still married and then she fell out of love with him and in love with another before while she was still married to the other…hello I don’t know if that’s true but between me and God it is a dumb reason for all of this…no matter how hard you try you can’t make someone keep loving you and if the other person feels like he can sense into someone about a person not loving them … well LOVE isn’t a sensible thing is it…And maybe if we all stop thinking of our own personal enjoyment and stay focused on making every minute of our children’s worth more to us we’d have better marriages and happier kids. I see all the pictures of everyone partying and having a good time hooray for you all….Myself we’ve only been out to two movies since our five year old was born…and the money we save from not going out we use to go places with the kids not with our friends..IM NOT SAYING THAT WORKS FOR EVERYONE but again neither of us has time for an affair. Marriage is so much work and kids are even more and now in one brief minute one dumb decision Jason and Kelly have lost soooooooo much…Why …. explain that to me please…its all mute to me they both should have walked away but if one couldn’t the other should have….because all this sure in the hell at worth it is it??????
Rob I am sorry for your loss but I think the Devil Advocate made a point I myself feel I hold all soldier to a high standard of control and thinking….after all they protect my freedom everyday they are the ones standing watch over this country….that’s what they signed up for they aren’t any drafts going on right now. So it’s really hard for me to understand how a person that protects those freedoms could want to give them up in his own life. God protect every solder out there and I mean that. I feel bad for Jason and Kelly and if it turns out they were played I really wish they both could have seen it and just walked away from each other and realized LOVE should make you feel good … not sad, confused or even ashamed its something to cherish not forced and it doesn’t seem like any of the parties knew that. Sory just my opinion All 3 of them lost out and forced their children to do the same that’s the sad part a MOM should always think of their children and their needs before their own that’s what being a MOTHER is and if its not in this day and age … maybe we should look to our past and embrace it …
I dont belive that the purpose of this site is to argue & cast blame, so without keeping this going any longer, I just have this to say & then Im done…
Everyone obviously has then own opinion formed of all parties, I just hope everyone steps back for a second to think about how they have came to form that opinion, then decide if it is fair.
It is no ones place on here to judge & blame…. everyone says that there are only 2 people who know what happened that night, but no- there were 3. Jason, Kelly & God. So on judgment day, when the only person who should be judging does, God will know the truth.
Also- Just confused about it all says that: “Jason is stating he hit Kelly once or shoved him and he fell and hit his head” I know for a FACT that Jason has not told his side of the story to anyone yet, other than the police that night. He has been instructed to not talk about it with anyone & he has not. So again, you don’t know Jason & you are assuming that that is his side of the story, when it is not. That is the opinion of others (ex- assumption of assumed events) and we all know how ignorant that was.
For those that do not believe the epidemic of our veterans being involved in crimes please take time to read these links:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/13/us/13vets.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080113/ap_on_re_us/killings_after_combat
And for “Devils Advocate” who seems to have all the facts… veteran suicides are real among Iraq/Afghanistan veterans:
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Report_predicts_veteran_suicide_rate_100_1113.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/13/earlyshow/main3494261.shtml
Listen to Jason’s’ voice on the audio tape with the fireman/paramedic “yes I did this with my hands” that is Jason’s own words… I don’t believe this site is to argue or cast blame if you do than that means your eyes aren’t open. I’ve learned a lot for instance these to men have some great families and friends and many are very hurt but the end result won’t change anything its still a tragedy that could have been avoided by all parties…And if walking away would have mad Jason or Kelly a wimp or a dog with his tail between his legs I’m sure now they both would have rather been called that. So if you are still watching no I’m sorry for every ones loss. BUT MOSTLY FOR THE CHILDREN INVOLVED they lost way more than any of us sorry to say this but A DAD is not replaceable ever. And I also think that if you can’t see that everyone is suffering through this you can blame Kelly all you want but he isn’t here to tell his side. If you are one to believe that an affair equals death or sorry an affair with a soldiers wife equals death that’s just sad on your part. There are way worse things people should have the right to kill for some being child abuse, molestation, rape of a child why Because they are children they don’t have the ability to make their own decisions and you can’t kill for that why would a possible affair be so much more tragic, in my opinion if this is really all over that then Jason sounds like a good guy he should have pushed her to the curb and taken his kids and fought for full custody… But as I said we get to make our own decisions we are the adult. And I’m sure from the things I’ve read about Jason he is kicking himself in the butt that he didn’t make a few better ones. And it has been reported that the oldest daughter of his wife’s isn’t Jason’s’ and if I was her dad I’d be a little upset unless he doesn’t play any role in her life… I don’t think that’s fair to her or him, but I don’t know that it just makes me wonder why a MAN would so easily let another call his daughter his own. Even if I was to get divorced I would like to be replaced so easily. Did anyone ever think how much it might be hurting him….this is what I mean when I say its nice to have a place to write your thoughts. Maybe you are not a Christian but GOD doesn’t judge he is the only person that doesn’t that’s why he LOVES us all AMEN TO THAT. That’s why we are human and have those faults some days I feel great and want EVERYONE to forgive JASON and KELLY for their bad decisions, others I’m in that non-christian mode and wish I could smack Kelly and Jason around for being so stupid… Just my thoughts and you can like some or hate them all its your decision!!!!!
I am just going to say what so many people seem to be afraid to say if this accident/tragedy you are all so upset about was caused because of a piece of - - - it truly was dumb for both men to put themselves in such a position one dead and the other in jail. Please let all your brothers and sons know this is not worth any of this. I will pray for all of you it sounds like everyone has lost a lot over sex if that is the reason. Sorry for that and them it is a little to late to help them, but if someone you know is in this same situation let them read this page and see its really not worth it there are a lot more fish in the sea.
Mr Waltz I read you links and am sorry that so many lives have been destroyed from this war like I said I remember being hopeful for the vets of Vietnam. But it doesn’t mean people get a free ride if you are going to think that then that means you have compassion and feel its alright for people whom were sexually abused to do so to other and get a slap on the wrist that being sexually abused is no less devastating than being a soldier and doing a job you signed up for.. the difference to me is a child doesn’t sign up for abuse and still gets a lot of heat in finding help yet we expect them as adults to break the cycle and thank GOD most do but to me its the same thing. Many people feel bad for our vets of all wars yet we can not force them to seek help and we can’t make it mandatory either… working in the medical field I am the first to tell you THE PERSON NEEDS TO WANT IT NO ONE CAN HELP TILL THAT HAPPENS. The first story on the first link you gave me almost proves that liquor his own prescribed relief instead of standing so proud for PTSD we should stand proud and get the stigmatism of Psychological help banished maybe our world wouldn’t be so screwed up then….Shame is a terrible burden that no one should have to carry especially when they usually shouldn’t even be ashamed… So take it for what its worth Soldiers are not the only ones that suffer and by the way something a lot of people don’t know many of our psychological illnesses don’t rear their ugly heads until our early adult year and my opinion is when these young soldier are quick to get diagnosed with PTSD because of where they have been…what might we be missing bipolar (ages 19 thru 32) Schizophrenia (30ish) and the list goes on. Like I said more people could get help if the stigmatism of Psychiatric help wasn’t so taboo.
I would not say PTSD is an excuse for a free ride but I am saying it is a true epidemic… howmany of the 100+ veterans they profiled in the NY Times article actually commit the crime they are accused of? Each war provides almost the same dilemma, which is many veterans left mentally scarered from the realities of war. I would say that you are somewhat accurate with the stigma of psychological help but I have to admit I did not know what was bothering me for over two years. I felt that maybe it was just a normal reaction but it was not until I started suffering from a conversion disorder that caused seizures did I get help.
I do feel though that the VA could do more for outreach instead of just providing a questionnaire after the deployment is up. Yes, we cannot mandate them to get help but outreach is key. I did not want help but it was given to me because I needed it and I am grateful for it.
Who is “Johnny Waltz” and why is he so determined to make it seem as if Jason is being labeled as some “deranged vet?” Which I might add, is not the case at all. There are OBVIOUSLY some ties to the defendent in the case; since he seems to like to post info. all over the internet. Anyone have an idea?
You can figure it out if you check out his myspace page, there are ties to the defendent…. which explains his posts.
Its funny how many points have been made and the death certificate issue and now no one seems to be able to keep the high hope issue that Jason hit his friend only once or was it that he just pushed him, so many versions are out there, that there is hardly any comments anymore. Maybe all is forgotten. I visited Mr JW site who knows how they are related, one things for sure Jason needs to get a better attorney or at least one that can say no comment. Thanks for the tip. I guess people can use any situation to boost their own causes.
you got it just backwards. waltz is defending jason roach and is helping to lead a legal defense fund for him.
I am not exactly sure how I am pushing my own causes but what I will say will back up what blugrassredstate had to say. I am defending Jason Roach as both a friend and fellow veteran brother. This is completely voluntary and never requested by Jason to ensure he does have proper representation, which he has now. Time will tell the story and facts are facts. That is all that really needs to be said from here. We know what happened and we know what has come out from the case to base our own opinion. Know matter what someone says from one side the other side is not going to listen nor believe it. So, at this point it is pointless to continue on pushing the issue.
And these two headlines justify the “deranged” veteran statement where they later made sure that Jason’s status as a veteran was well known:
The Enquirer - Man charged in beating death
Man Charged After Beating Victim Dies - WLWT
Well, Mr Waltz,
I find the other “articles” that you have put out on the internet interesting. The way you try to put Kelly in poor light in order to try to gain respect for Jason. I guess you’ll say and do whatever it takes to get people to send their checks in! I also find it interesting all the “facts” that you put in these articles; Kelly was told to stay away from the house, there was a gun involved…. the way you describe the situation, one would think that you were at the murder scene. I like the way you imply that Kelly had done something to deserve this. I’m sure your children will be proud! If anything, you are making Jason look worse (if that is even possible!). Maybe you and Jason can get a 2 for 1 deal at the pysychiatrist’s office. You obviously still need clarity - and a new hobby.
Could someone let me know the answer to these questions I’m just curious.
Is Jason just a psycho that misunderstood his wife’s relationship?
Or is Jason a man pissed off because another man was able to do the same thing he did when his wife was married before?
The reasons I ask these questions is in a slide show I saw it states Misty and Jason a very happy couple..How happy I’m wondering.
Was Misty playing on the both of them?
Or was Kelly just such a babe magnet she couldn’t say no?
And as far as Kelly was he just getting the wrong signals?
Or was he just a pawn in a very deviant game for attention?
Heres a fact. JASON PUNCHED KELLY ! Kelly is dead because of it. Jason’s actions caused Kelly’s death.. Mr Waltz as we have all heard Jason told the fireman on the 911 tape he did that with his bare hands. That is a fact ! Stop trying to say it was self defense because Jason was on phone with Kelly before KK showed up there. Thats also a fact.. And there where no gun involved, Jason didn’t report seeing one to police and had no knowledge that one was in KK car. You should stop with the lies and slander, because those of us that knew Kelly will never let you destroy his name…
To the law, don’t worry sir/mam no one can bring a person like Kelly down.. I guess misery loves company and all of the comments of how WONDERFUL Jason is and all the oh he’s this and that my points are one he put his need for his own heart in-front of the needs of his family he let his anger get the best of him and now all of his friends, family and people he cares for are suffering. Kelly died that is why all this crap can go on his so called friends saying he would have done the same well where are the bruises on Jason…point being he wouldn’t have done the same he didn’t… So all the Kelly bashers can go on and on but his actions of not seeing any bruises on poor poor poor Jason just proves who the better man was its to bad he had to die though. And another thing if Jason is so great why was his wife jumping in bed and saying I love you to another man. If that is the facts… I do mean the part of jumping in bed since she goes around stating how much she loved Kelly.. So as far as I’m concerned Kelly was innocent of Jason’s actions being Kelly should get his proper representation oh I forgot he can’t yes that was meant scenically.. Good luck to you Law says in your healing process.. But we all are not fooled by the Kelly bashers…
Amen! Before other vets go digging in to their pockets, they need to do their research and get the FACTS! Johnny Waltz is giving vets a bad name by slandering Kelly and misguiding people about the facts. I would like to know how he knows inside information, looks like the defendent, or his family, aren’t listening to the defense attorney. I thought they were supposed to keep their mouths shut! I guess they’ll do whatever it takes for a buck. Hope Jason does LOTS of time for his mistake.
well regardless of how long jason is in jail he will get out eventually and then he can go on with his life and i’m going to say that kelly got what he deserved he shouldn’t have messed with a married woman and then go to the husbands home for what ever reason. she should have left her husband and none of this would have happened
Well, I can only hope that “you get what you deserve” in life as well. Did you ever think that this woman was playing both of them? You are right, eventually Jason will get out of jail and “go on with his life”, which Kelly can not. Jason will be able to talk to and hug his children and his family - Kelly’s daughter and family will NEVER get to experience that again…. but he deserved what he got, right? As I said, I hope you get what you deserve as well. Maybe one day your child will be involved with the wrong woman or man and “get what they deserve.” Maybe you’ll be able to bury them. You really are a sick individual. You and Johnny Waltz should get together for counseling - what text book cases the 2 of you would be. Quite frankly, this will follow Jason for the rest of his life. If you think that there will be a time when Jason can just move on with his life, then it is apparent that you do not believe he has a conscience. With a permanant record and the need to disclose the reason that he went to jail when applying for jobs, and so forth, this will be with him. Will he be able to get custody of his children? I’m willing to bet the answer is no. Will he be able to chaperone at school functions, I would think not. One day his children will find out and who knows how they will be affected by this. You see, moving on from a murder is not as easy as you would like to potray. If Jason has any type of remorse, which I would like to believe he does, he does not believe that Kelly “deserved” this. He will not be able to simply go on with his life as though he did not take a man from his daughter and family. You see, like Johnny Waltz, in attempting to defend Jason - you have made him look worse by your harsh and false statements. Good Job. With friends like you guys, he doesn’t need enemies.
Hey Mr Someone … I guess Jason will get death too he messed with that same women when she was married before the perfect couple of Jason and the married women. So heed your own words I guess maybe God will grant your friend that “get what he deserves statement” and he will have a friend like you to thank for that karma. AMEN TO THAT
That saying if you never heard it is don’t throw stones when you live in a glass house…..
What is wrong with you people? No one really knows what happened. Has anyone of you people heard from the mouth of Kelly or Jason the facts of what happened? I am not under any circumstances defending Jason’s actions. Everyone makes mistakes.. and this is one that Jason will have to live with for the rest of his life. I knew Jason very well and his character. I loved Jason and admired him since I was young. Jason is not the monster everyone is making him out to be especially on this website. How many people on here have been in a physical alteration with another person. How many people are married and if they found out one of their really good friends were sleeping with their spouse would want to hurt them. Jason would never want to kill him. You have to put yourself in everyone’s shoes in this kind of instance. Jason was betrayed, hurt, and having a lot of mixed emotions. Any norman person would who was in love. Jason is not a murderer. It doesn’t make what he did right but this was a mistake that he will be judged by for the rest of his life. Unless you honestly knew Jason you do not have the right to get on websites and judge his character. You guys act as if Jason is a cold-blooded murderer who is sitting in prison right now happy at the fact that he killed Kelly. Jason is going to have to live with the fact that he took a life and one of his friends. This was a fight that went wrong in all possible ways. Don’t judge others until you judge yourself first.
A fight involves to people hitting each other once again where are Jason’s bruises we keep going round and round with this. As you said you haven’t heard Kelly’s side of the events of that night so all you can base your story on is Jason and he is in fact fighting for his freedom since he was willing to hurt someone he loved with physical violence whom is to say he wouldn’t lie to get that freedom….
And it seems that Jason is the one being look at as some hero for killing a man whom messed with his married wife…Kelly if you read your fiend Johnny Waltz statement had a bag full of weapons one of which he purchased the day before….So give us a break about your poor Jason and how everyone is wrong about him he is the one letting people down grade his friend his lawyer(paid by him) and his friends who should listen to him to right so lets just get that straight. Jason did murder by the definition a person whom he loved supposedly that to me is worse than a person whom kills by accident…
Accidents happen…to everyone. Some accidents are small and some go to the extreme as accidently taking a life. The worst accident possible that no one ever contemplates happening is taking a life. Facts say that yes-Kelly died from a result of a fractured skull. Yes-Kelly had a weapon in his car without a license. Yes-Kelly went over to Jason’s property. Yes-Jason tried to get help for Kelly after the situation. Yes-Jason is being charged with Voluntary Manslaughter. Rumors consist of - “This happened because Jason’s wife was committing adultry with Kelly”..”Jason called Kelly over his house before the fight”…”Jason drug Kelly’s body out into the road after Kelly went unconscious”..”Misty was leaving Jason for Kelly”….”Misty was in love with Kelly”…ect. Come on everyone get your heads together. You can ONLY look at the facts. We cannot rely our thoughts, blame, and opinions to be strictly based upon Rumors. We have 2 sides opposing against each other because each side loved either party. Kelly’s side loved Kelly and Kelly WAS the victim. Jason’s side of course loved and cared for Jason and will never ever believe that Jason could have taken a life- and especially “murder” a friend. Jason and Kelly cared for eachother. Now Kelly is dead. Jason is alive and in prison. The only people that were there were Jason and Kelly. You CANNOT sit here and make your own opinions and judge someone else based upon a story, rumors, and your own emotions.
Misty says herself that she loves Kelly, she stated this on her myspace page.. Tell us what caused Kely to get that fractured skull.. Getting PUNCHED in the face will cause anyone to fall. Because Jason is not a man that can control his own anger and Kelly death is proff of that… Maybe we should ask Jason if Misty was married when they started fooling around w…. His action caused a man to loose his life and I hope it eats at him for the rest of his life..
Amen brother (or sister!)!
And to “Bob Barker” - many of us know that most of the items that you listed as “rumors” are indeed facts. Wake up! As previously stated, Misty has stated that she LOVED Kelly! The only facts that are missing are the ones that Kelly could provide. Unfortunatly, this is why Jason AND Misty have so much power over the situation. My “side” is merely one side that would like the complete truth to come out. I would like Jason to pay for his crime without slandering anyone, or trying to evoke