HB 228 got its day in hearing. Perhaps the last day but a full room heard the testimony both pro and con.
Amid tears, hisses and prayers, a bill that would ban abortion in Ohio got its first and, legislative leaders say, last hearing on Tuesday.
The devastation of both legal and illegal abortions was exposed in the testimony. It also showed the intent of abortionists to complete the job once they get the word ‘go’.
Women who had illegal – and legal – abortions described horrendous pain and decades of trauma caused by their decisions, moving some people to tears in the audience.
Elizabeth Klein of Columbus, who is now opposed to abortion, said medical staff in Florida refused to let her change her mind as they vacuumed the fetus out of her cervix. Klein, who was accompanied at Tuesday’s hearing by her only child, blamed two subsequent miscarriages on the botched abortion.
If you think the fraud and negligence as seen from the money that was supposed to help Katrina ‘victims’ can you imagine how much worse it is with the butchering and tearing apart the small child. If that isn’t enough, then what about the harm done to the mother. What pictures could we paint if we only knew more about the truth of the abortion industry?
Here are some of those sections where the been has been the most active.
(E)(5) Whoever violates division(D)(B)(1), (2), or (4) of this section is
liableinto the pregnant woman, to the person who was the father of the fetus or embryo that was the subject of the abortion, and, if the pregnant woman was a minor at the time of the abortion, to her parents, guardian, or custodian for civil compensatory and exemplary damages.(B)(1) No private hospital, private hospital
director, or governing board of a private hospitalis required toshall permit an abortion.(B)(2) No public hospital, public hospital director, or
governing board of a public hospitalis required toshall permit an abortion.
(C)(3) Refusal to permit an abortion is not grounds for civil
liability nor a basis for disciplinary or other recriminatory action.
(C)(3) State or local public funds shall not be used to subsidize an abortion, unless the abortion is necessary to preserve the life or physical or mental health of the pregnant woman and this fact is certified in writing by the performing physician to the state or local agency providing the funds.
(C) Whoever violates division (B)(1) of this section is liable to the pregnant woman, to the person who was the father of the fetus or embryo that was the subject of the abortion, and, if the pregnant woman was a minor at the time of the abortion, to her parents, guardian, or custodian for civil compensatory and exemplary damages.
What will be the fate of HB 228? Time will only tell. If this became law it would seriously hamper the rights of abortion clinics to make money off young people and at the expense of a life. So expect lots of blood money to be poured spread around.
As for the case of rape?How about a real compromise if that is the sticking point for the bills passage. First someone must be charged. Then if the mother aborts the baby the onus isn’t on her but on the rapist. Let the death of the infant be on his head. So the result is that a rapists who impregnates a woman ought to be charged with the death of the aborted baby. But then again there was a time when rapists were sentenced to death for their crimes. But those musings are for another article.
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Rape was not the sticking point. When a Republican asked the woman who spoke on behalf of a rape center (opposing the bill) if she would accept a rape-exception compromise, she responded that whatever her organization did, she would oppose the bill anyhow. It appeared that adding that exception would not change the outcome.
Rape can be hard to define. That woman stated that in 70%-80% of what she calls rapes the woman knows the man (an acquaintance, boyfriend, or husband.) This resulted in drastically different statistics than the pro-lifers gave. She stated that there were in the area of 30,000 rape-related pregnancies per year. The pro-lifers said that there were 500-1000 per year in the nation.
Part of the trouble when you expand the definition beyond the normal definition of rape is that women faced with an unwanted pregnancy could decide retroactively that the intercourse was also unwanted.
In that case, if it was made a capital offense for the boyfriend or husband if an abortion took case, she could retroactively decide that the intercourse was unwanted, call it rape, and the boyfriend or husband would be put to death.
I don’t mean to be hard on you in any way, but what would you make of that for a compromise position?
No. You aren’t hard on me. Actually it helps bring the absurd humor into the topic.
One, I would really like to know how many pregnancies occur from ‘real’ rape cases. Then I would like to see the ‘life of the mother’ cases where she would have actually died. Lets add them up. I have a good feeling that the number would be small.
But you point out the worst in human nature and what would happen. Though that would stop some from having sex outside of marriage. But I mentioned it in passing. People would turn this or any law into a license to do evil. Be nice to me or I cry rape and bang… your gone buddy! I pass out the idea so that the true victim of rape would understand that the onus isn’t on her for rapist’s sin. But you point of the fact that the opponents don’t want abortion to be a rare event.
Though I could live with exception of a life or death situation or even in the case of a rape… those are rare. I don’t like the fact that abortionists use the exception to argue their case for the general. “This might happen” so we need to provide abortion for all… if you get my drift. So far the onus wouldn’t be the greatest on the rapists but upon those whose hands are covered by over 20 million lives taken by what I call casual abortion. I understand justice and mercy. Abortionists understand neither. Something we both would agree on.
How many cases are there of rape-induced pregnancies? Dr. Wilge testified that there are 500-1000 per year in this country, and that of those cases, slightly under 60% of women choose to carry and deliver the child without any counseling or consultation.
The woman from the rape center testified that there were 30,000 rape-induced pregnancies per year in this country.
I could conclude that one of the two is fugding their numbers, and I personally know who I would believe. But I believe that the more charitable explanation is that they define rape differently.
Interesting figures. Thanks for the info. I would agree that rape center (what a name) has inflated their numbers greatly. Ok… they lied.
That shows just how low the abortion rate should be if was ‘available but rare’ as the libs claim they want. Say the number of rape and ‘life at risk’ cases number 5,000 per year. You would be talking around 150,000 total compared to the millions that have been performed.
They can’t even admit they want it to continue for any reason. They also use the exceptions as the straw man.
Hopefully this bill becomes law and South Dakota started a good trend.